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Manloloko at Traydor Si Aguinaldo?:An Article About D Conspiracy of Our Independence
03-22-2011, 08:14 PM
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Manloloko at Traydor Si Aguinaldo?:An Article About D Conspiracy of Our Independence
Andres Bonifacio - Ang Supremo

by Joseph Pedron


Hindi ako nahilig dati sa history class (Sibika at Kultura) noong ako'y elementary at high-school. Mas preferred ko Filipino at English subjects na may mga literature topics. Gusto ko din ng Science, at kagaya ng karamihang bata sa eskwela, ayoko ko din mathematics. Ako ay kumuha ng kurso ng Computer sa kolehiyo.


Noong lumusob sila Trillanes (Oakwood Mutiny) sa Makati noong July 27, 2003 upang patalsikin si Gloria Macapagal Arroyo sa Malacanang, at nakilala sila sa grupo na Magdalo soldiers, ang unang pumasok sa tanong ko ay, Magdalo? Hindi ba ang Magdalo at Magdiwang ay grupo nila Aguinaldo at Bonifacio? Alin nga pala sa Magdalo at Magdiwang, ang kay Aguinaldo at Bonifacio? As in, wala akong idea. Nakalimutan ko na. Ang alam ko lang eh, nag-exist ang 2 grupo, may Magdalo at Magdiwang. Yun na.


Nagpasimula akong magsaliksik. Napunta ako sa mga columns ni Ambeth Ocampo ng Philippine Daily Inquirer. Marami akong natutunan sa kanya. Binuhay ni Ambeth Ocampo ang aking kamalayan sa history. Hindi boring ang mga columns ni Ambeth. Na-inlove ako sa Philippine History. (Kung siya siguro ang naging teacher ko noong elementary-high school baka hindi computer course ang kinuha ko, hahaha!) Binasa ko mga previous columns niya about different heroes. Dumating ako sa point na parang kulang. May mga pieces ng jigsaw puzzle na binigay si Ambeth Ocampo na kailangang makita sa ibang angle.
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Bonifacio Monument

Na-fascinate ako sa buhay ni Bonifacio.
May tanong si Ambeth Ocampo na lumabas noong 05/16/2007
Quote:First case of ‘dagdag-bawas’?
By Ambeth Ocampo
Inquirer
First Posted 01:13:00 05/16/2007

Filed Under: history, Elections, Human Interest
MANILA, Philippines -- The counting and collating of election returns continue as I write this column. We are in the 21st century, the age of e-mail, iPods, laptops, wi-fi, electronic banking, and the most sophisticated multi-tasking phones you can imagine. But our ballots are still filled out and counted manually, the same way it was done in the last century. While computerized elections remain a possibility and will make counting faster, our mindset, unfortunately, remains manual. This is a clear case of how people sometimes cannot or will not cope with advances in technology.

Our antiquated “mano-mano” [manual[ system reminded me of the elections of 1897, when Emilio Aguinaldo was elected president of a revolutionary government that replaced the Katipunan. Our Founding Fathers also used ballots that were manually filled out and counted. Unlike today when millions vote all over the archipelago, the men who met in the friar estate house in Tejeros was a smaller group and the result of the voting was presumably easier to canvass. What they did before (but which we cannot do today) was to do things viva voce. After electing some officials, including the president, they noticed that it turned dark and since nobody wanted to stay up all night filling up ballots and counting, they decided to dispense with the ballots. Earlier some electors alleged that the ballots had already been filled out prior to the election and not by the electors casting their votes. Voting viva voce was not done literally, with electors voicing out their votes. Neither did they raise their hands, which can be difficult to count if you have an armed and rowdy group in the hall.

Try to imagine the dynamics of the elections at Tejeros. When they dispensed with the ballots, they also dispensed with secrecy. Everything was laid bare as they divided the hall and had the electors stand on a spot corresponding to a particular candidate for a particular position. The electors literally had to stand on the side of the person they were electing, making the voting even more personal. It was this manner of voting, that electors literally lost face, but it was also a way for the nominee to see who his friends really were.

Had the elections been conducted viva voce from the beginning would the results have been different? Would Aguinaldo still have been president? What about Andres Bonifacio or the other nominees?

Eyewitness accounts state that Bonifacio garnered the second highest number of votes for president. If we were to go by trends like we do today, it would have been logical to think that Bonifacio would have been elected vice president. But this did not happen. To make matters worse, when Aguinaldo was elected president, a motion was made to automatically declare Bonifacio vice president based on the results, but nobody seconded the motion and nobody objected, so ballots were cast again.

If we are to believe that the ballots were already filled out, and that there was cheating, is it possible that they had the original “dagdag-bawas” [vote-padding and vote-shaving]? Unfortunately, the ballots are lost to history.

Where did these go? Were these verified? The Tejeros Convention simply proceeded until Bonifacio flared up when his election as secretary of the interior was challenged in a rude and direct manner. Our textbooks have oversimplified Tejeros as a temper tantrum by Bonifacio, further obliterating the painful but important lesson history should teach us about how to conduct elections. How should we conduct ourselves during elections?

Critics fault me for my so-called “negative view of history,” but that is what the primary sources tell me. I’d like to think that while history can be positive and developmental, i.e. that history should inspire and elevate us, sometimes we also have to learn from what is base and uninspiring.

On March 23, 1897, the day after the Tejeros Convention, 45 men met, discussed and signed what we would call today an election protest, or, at best, a move to declare a failure of elections. History textbooks call this the Acta de Tejeros and it is merely a factoid to be used in a pop quiz or TV game shows. Few textbooks quote the sour opening passage that reads:

“We cannot accept the result [of the Tejeros Convention] because the same lacks legality. We have learned that actual pressure has been brought to bear upon our Presidency; and that the ballots have been prepared by one sole person and have been issued to unqualified persons in order to secure a majority; and we have learned what had conspired there. For this reason, we deny the validity of the action taken, the unlawfulness whereof is proven by the fact that they have been unable to prepare a formal minute record for our signatures, aside from the capital defect that our brother officers were not present there and were outside.”

History is more complex than what our textbooks narrate. What really happened in Tejeros haunts us because it remains unresolved like contemporary election protests.

Don’t blame history when it looks like it is doing a replay. We are to blame for repeating the past. When do we look truth in the face and take responsibility for what we have become since the Founding Fathers marred the first election?
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Hindi maikakaila siguro ng mga seryoso sa Philippine History na may Aguinaldo-Bonifacio feud. Hindi naman siguro basta-basta nag-tantrum lang si Bonifacio sa Tejeros convention. Ano yun, nag-walk out si Bonifacio ng walang mabigat na dahilan? Nag-google ako sa internet, pero hindi ko makita yung liwanag sa dilim na hinahanap ko sa kasaysayan ng buhay ni Bonifacio.
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Philippine National Bookstore

Nag-decide akong maghanap ng libro sa National Bookstore. Isa na yatang pinakamalaking branch ng National Bookstore ang nasa Cubao, Quezon City. At tutal doon ako dumadaan pauwi sa Montalban upang sumakay ng FX taxi. (Rodriguez na po ngayon ang dating Montalban. Pero hanggang ngayon, Montalban pa rin ang tawag KO sa lupang kinalakihan ko. At after magbasa ng Philippine History, mas lalo akong proud na taga-Montalban ako at hindi hindi ako taga-Rodriguez)
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Wawa, Montalban, Rizal

Masuwerte kong nakita ang libro ni ADRIAN E.CRISTOBAL na may pamagat na THE TRAGEDY OF THE REVOLUTION. Ako ay natuwa sa nilalaman ng libro. Ito ang naging isa sa paborito kong libro. Nabili ko yung libro sa halagang P320 noong May 24, 2007 (Thursday). Although bumili din ako ng libro ni Ambeth Ocampo na (Rizal without the turncoat).
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Andres Bonifacio

Simulan na po natin ang kwentuhan. Hindi pala tamang ipasok sa ating isipan na si Andres Bonifacio(SUPREMO) ay isang taong naka-camisa-de-chino na mukhang magsasaka, nakayapak, may dalang itak at sumisigaw ng "SUGOD MGA KAPATID" (makikita natin na naka-coat si SUPREMO sa kanyang ONLY picture na nasa studio sa taas) Si Andres Bonifacio(SUPREMO) pala ay "literate man" at sa labanan, ay may dalang baril. Ang SUPREMO ay nagtrabaho sa maituturing nating multi-national company noong panahon na iyon. Itininatag ni Andres Bonifacio(SUPREMO) ang KKK kasama si Emilio Jacinto at Dr. Pio Valenzuela. Itinatag ng SUPREMO ang KKK after na hindi na umubra ang LA LIGA FILIPINA nila Rizal. Nawalan ng saysay ang LA LIGA FILIPINA after damputin ng mga kastila si Jose Rizal. Mapapansin po ninyo ang dahilan ng SUPREMO kaya niya itinayo ang KKK. Para ipagpatuloy ang sinimulan ng LA LIGA FILIPINA. Hindi niya inagaw ang pamumuno ng LA LIGA FILIPINA. (Hindi kagaya ng pag-aagawang nangyari sa TEJEROS CONVENTION, paguusapan po natin mamaya ang TEJEROS CONVENTION)
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Jose Rizal execution Dec. 30, 1896

Si Emilio Jacinto ay isang matalinong estudyante ng kolehiyo sa Letran. Maraming sulat si Andres Bonifacio(SUPREMO) kay Emilio Jacinto at sa mga sulat na yun, makikita natin ang "intimate" relationship ng dalawa. (Close ang dalawang bayani) Pati si Gregoria Bonifacio (asawa ng supremo) ay sumusulat din kay Emilio Jacinto. Close ang mag-asawang Bonifacio kay Emilio Jacinto. Ang mga sekreto ng Katipunan na sinulat ng SUPREMO kay Emilio Jacinto na kung mababasa ng mga kastila ay malamang eh patayin ang messenger ng Katipunan na may dala ng sulat. Mahalaga nating maalala na wala pa pong cell phone noon. Walang TXT, Walang Email. Walang telepono ang mga katipunero upang pag-usapan ang kanilang taktika sa giyera.
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Spanish firing squad executes 2 Filipino rebels 1896 or 1897

Ang isa sa mga messenger ng KKK ay si Genaro de los Reyes. (Naglalakad lang ang mga messenger dati paikut-ikot sa kalakhang Manila at karatig bayan, kaya delikadong tungkulin ang pagiging messenger ng Katipunan) Pati sila Andres Bonifacio(SUPREMO), Emilio Jacinto at iba pang mga bayani ay naglalakad lang.
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1896-1897 Spanish soldiers leading a Katipunero to execution

Noong pasimulan ni Supremo ang giyera, sinimulan nila sa puso ng mga manglulupig, sa Manila. Oo nga naman, ang karamihan ng kastila ay nakahimpil sa Manila noong mga panahong iyon. Kung sisimulan nga naman ang Filipino-Spanish war, let's say sa Bulacan, Pampanga or Cavite, bago pa man sila makarating sa Manila, eh mahaharang na sila agad ng mga kastila. August 30, 1896, inatake at nilusob nila SUPREMO ang gunpowder storehouse sa San Juan. Matagumpay nilang naisagawa ang una at impresibong atake laban sa mga kastila.

You see? Matalinong bayani si Andres Bonifacio. Hindi Siya xxxxx. Eh bakit daw, "maraming" natikmang talo si Andres Bonifacio sa pakikipaglaban? Hello, Central of Power kaya ang nilusob ni Andres Bonifacio, what would you expect. Kahit si Aguinaldo, nakatikim din ng MGA pagkatalo sa ibang labanan. Kung pagalingan sa pagiging General ang pag-uusapan, mas magaling at kinatatakutang general si Antonio Luna, na pinatay ng mga ka-traydoran ng mga tauhan ni Aguinaldo. THE WAR RECORDS OF ANTONIO LUNA IS WAY BETTER THAN EMILIO AGUINALDO. May mga napanalunan din naman si Andres Bonifacio pero hindi ang point is paramihan eh. Yung mga inaaping pinoy noon, naghihintay lang naman sila ng magsisimula ng pag-laban sa kastila eh. At si Andres Bonifacio ang nagbigay sa kanila ng lakas ng loob na "KAYA NATIN ito mga kapatid".

Emilio Aguinaldo? Siya ay sumali sa KKK under the leadership ni Andres Bonifacio. Si Andres Bonifacio ang nagpasimula ng giyera at hindi si Emilio Aguinaldo. Under lang ni Andres Bonifacio si Emilio Aguinaldo. May gobyerno na ang mga katipunan/katagalugan bago ang Tejeros Convention. Ang supremo ang nagbigay ng lakas ng loob sa mga pinoy na ang dala ay itak at kunting baril upang lumaban. Logic dictates, na alam din ni Emilio Agunaldo na tama ang decision ni Andres Bonifacio. Hindi minagaling ni Aguinaldo na simulan ang pag-aalsa sa Cavite. Sa Manila nga dapat simulan ang giyera.

Ang SUPREMO ANG NAGBIGAY NG PUSO SA PINOY PARA LUMABAN.
May baril ka nga, wala naman sa puso mo ang paglaban, wala din.

Everyone knows na ang paglaban ng mga pinoy sa kastila is quite premature. May mga puso na sila sa paglaban noon pero wala pa silang armas to ensure their victory. May meeting ang Katipunan dati sa Antipolo, May 3, 1896. Napag-usapan doon ang pagsimula ng giyera. During ng kanilang meeting, nag-suggest na ang SUPREMO na simulan na ang atake. The willingness to attack is already at the hearts ng mga pinoy. Marami na din ang napapatay at napaghihinalaan ng mga kastila about sa pag-alsa. Hindi sumang-ayon sila Aguinaldo (Magdalo) at Santiago V. Alvarez (Magdiwang) kay SUPREMO, magpadami pa daw muna ng armas. Ang SUPREMO ay tumitingin sa kahinugan ng puso ng mga pinoy. Pinadala nila si Dr. Pio Valenzuela sa Dapitan upang kumunsulta kay Jose Rizal. As always, Jose Rizal is still convinced na hindi dahas ang sagot sa pananakop ng kastila. Jose Rizal still believes that the Spaniards can still be convinced by words. Jose Rizal was wrong. Yung mga kasama niya was playing safe. So they decided to hold off the war for the moment.

Ang nakakalungkot ay may 2 pinoy na nag-away tungkol sa pagtaas ng sweldo sa paggawaan ng diyaryo. Yung isang pinoy, "kapatid" sa KKK, yung isa hindi. Ang pag-aaway ng dalawang pinoy ang naghatid sa pagkakabunyag ng KKK. Ito ang nag-pasimula ng "premature" war ng mga Filipino against sa mga kastila.

Dumating ang August 1896 ay sumigaw ng paglaban sila Bonifacio laban sa mga kastila. Sumunod ang mga karatig lalawigan sa pag-alsa sa mga kastila. Kasunod ng pasimula ng giyera ng mga pinoy laban sa kastila, ang pag-alsa ay kumalat at nakarating sa Cavite. Sa Cavite ipinanganak ang samahang Magdalo.

Sa pangungulit ng mga Magdiwang sa Supremo na dumalaw sa Cavite upang makita ang progress ng samahan sa Cavite ay na-convince ang SUPREMO na pumunta sa Cavite. At sa nakikitang pag-kaka-hiwa-hiwalay ng Magdalo at Magdiwang sa pag-sugpo sa kaaway, pumunta na din ang SUPREMO sa Cavite upang pag-isahin ang mga pinoy. Ang masama, pagdating ng SUPREMO sa Cavite, may mga leaflets na nagkalat upang sirain ang pagkatao at credibilidad ng SUPREMO sa pagiging lider ng Rebolusyon. Nagkahugutan ng baril ang Supremo at si Daniel Tirona tungkol sa leaflets. Ito ang unang pagkakataon na binunutan ng Baril ng SUPREMO si Daniel Tirona.

Ang Magdalo at Magdiwang factions pala is actually umiikot lang mainly sa Cavite. Ang mga lider nila ay sila Baldomero Aguinaldo (Magdalo) at si Mariano Alvarez (Magdiwang). (Contrary to popular belief na ang Magdalo-Magdiwang is Aguinaldo-Bonifacio factions.) Not entirely involved ang ibang lalawigan sa Magdalo at Magdiwang Rivalry. May mga nabasa akong ang Magdalo is mababa ang tingin kay SUPREMO. The reason kung bakit sumang-ayon ang SUPREMO sa TEJEROS CONVENTION is para pagkaisahin ang grupo ng MAGDALO at MAGDIWANG. Ang malas nga lang, nung nagsisimula na ang TEJEROS CONVENTION, pinalitan ang agenda ng meeting. Palitan na daw ang KKK ng isang REVOLUTIONARY GOVERNMENT.

Pumayag ang SUPREMO sa isang halalan sa isang condition na igagalang ng nakakarami ang magiging resulta. Nanalo si Aguinaldo sa pagiging Presidente. Nagpatuloy ang halalan. NAGPAPATUNAY PO ITO NA HINDI NAG-WALK OUT SI BONIFACIO DAHIL HINDI SIYA NAGING PRESIDENTE. Pinabayaan pa ng SUPREMO ang halalan hanggang sa gumawa ng eksena si Daniel Tirona. Kinuwestion ni Daniel Tirona ang educational background ng SUPREMO sa pagiging Director Interior.

Points sa Tejeros Convention:
-hindi dapat ituring na "NATIONAL" election ang Tejeros Convention
dahil HINDI WELL-REPRESENTED ang walong lalawigan
na nagpasimula ng pag-alsa ng mga Pilipino sa Kastila
-mostly mga Caviteno ang attendees ng Tejeros Convention
-Wala ang mahahalagang personalidad sa halalan gaya mismo nila Emilio Aguinaldo, Emilio Jacinto at iba pa.
-Ang buong Katipunan o mga Pilipinong lumalaban sa Kastila ay walang kinalaman sa naganap na halalan
-Bakit hindi man lang yata naparusahan ang nagpakalat ng leaflets against sa SUPREMO bago naganap ang halalan?
-Bakit biglang nawala si Daniel Tirona sa Tejeros Convention after niyang hindi igalang ang pagka-halal ng SUPREMO?
-masasabi mo bang naging malinis ang election sa Tejeros Convention after mong mabasa ito?
(vote ballots were already filled-out before the counting)
First case of ‘dagdag-bawas’?

Nag-walk out ang SUPREMO at mga kasama sa Tejeros Convention.
Ginawa nila ang Acta De Tejeros para baliktarin ang nangyari sa Tejeros Convention.
Ngunit huli na ang lahat.
Desidido na ang Cavite Government ni Aguinaldo upang hulihin sila Bonifacio.

Nilitis ang magkapatid na Bonifacio.
Sinabing tinangka daw ng SUPREMO na patayin daw si Aguinaldo.
MALAKING KASINUNGALINGAN.
During the trial, hiniling ng SUPREMO na makita si Pedro Giron (ang accuser/witness),
sinabi ng korte na namatay na daw si Pedro Giron sa Naik.
MALAKING KASINUNGALINGAN.
Nakita pa pong buhay si Pedro Giron after mapatay ang mga Bonifacio.
Tsk, tsk, tsk.
Unfair Trial.

May mga Historian na nagsasabi na dapat lang patayin si Bonifacio kasi
magkakahati ang mga Pilipino sa pakikipaglaban sa mga kastila.
Masaya ko pong sasagutin ang mga historians na ito.
Hindi ako nagmamagaling pero baka hindi pa nakikita ng mga historians ang mga points na ito.
1. Noong pinatay ba si Bonifacio (ANG SUPREMO), lumakas ba or humina ang Rebolusyon?
- sa libro ni Adrian Cristobal, may sinabi siyang ang ibang mga katipunero ay
nagsipagbalik sa pagsasaka after ng pagkakapatay sa SUPREMO
- Nagkaisa nga ba ang mga Pinoy after nang pagkakapatay sa SUPREMO or lalong na-divide?
- Natuwa ba ang mga Katipunero sa pagkakapatay sa SUPREMO?
Ang halimbawa dito ay si Emilio Jacinto.
Hindi po sumama si Emilio Jacinto kay Aguinaldo.
Nagpatuloy po si Emilio Jacinto sa pakikipaglaban hanggang siya ay mamatay sa Laguna.
Hiwalay po ang lakad ni Emilio Jacinto kay Aguinaldo.
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Emilio Jacinto died

2. Si Andres Bonifacio lang ba ang naging biktima nila Emilio Aguinaldo et al?
Nabasa na po ba ninyo ang nangyari sa buhay ni Antonio Luna?
Ang ganda po ng pagkakalahad ng wikipedia kay Antonio Luna.

Isang napakatapang na General pala ni Antonio Luna.
Ang kasamaang palad, ang Kawit Batallion ay ayaw sumunod kay Antonio Luna (sa gitna ng pakikibaka sa Amerikano).
Naganap po ito sa THE BATTLE AT CALOOCAN. Tumanggi ang mga taga-Kawit sa pagsunod kay Antonio Luna.

June 2, 1899: Nakatanggap ng telegram si Antonio Luna galing kay Aguinaldo.
Pumunta daw siya sa Aguinaldo headquarters sa Cabanatuan Nueva Ecija dahil may meeting daw.
Pagdating ni Antonio Luna meeting place, cancel daw ang meeting.
Wala si Aguinaldo doon, pero nandun ang mga tauhan ni Emilio.
Binaril at pinatay si Antonio Luna at kanyang mga kasama.
Nakapagsalita pa si Antonio Luna bago mamatay. "Cowards! Assassins!”
(may report na nakita ng nanay ni Emilio ang pagpatay kay Antonio Luna.
Nung makita ng nanay ni Emilio na nakahilata na si Antonio Luna,
sumigaw daw ang nanay ni Aguinaldo na... "Nagalaw pa ba yan?"

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Antonio Luna

The demise of Luna, the most brilliant and capable of the Filipino generals, was a decisive factor in the fight against the American forces. Even the American enemy developed an astonished admiration for him. One of them, Gen. Hughes of the American Army, said, of his death, probably relishing the irony, “The Filipinos had only one general, and they have killed him.”

Sunod-sunod na po ang pagkatalo ni Aguinaldo after patayin si Antonio Luna.
Hanggang napatakbo na nga si Emilio Aguinaldo sa Isabela at doon siya nahuli.
Ito po ang nakakatawa.
After patayin si Andres Bonifacio,
pumirma si Aguinaldo ng pagsuko sa Kastila (Biak-Na-Bato Pact: December 14, 1897)
After patayin si Antonio Luna,
nag-pledge of Allegiance si Aguinaldo sa mga Amerikano. (April 1, 1901)
Nakakatawa di po ba?

Pumirma sila Aguinaldo et al sa Biak-Na-Bato Pact para may pangbili ng armas?
Nasaan ang armas na binili nila?
May mga recent found documents na nagpapakita na bago pa ang Tejeros Convention,
eh nakikipag-usap na sila Aguinaldo sa mga prayle para isuko ang laban.
Part ng kasunduan sa Biak-Na-Bato Pact na titigil na sa atake ang mga Pinoy.
After nag-puntang Hongkong ang grupo nila Aguinaldo, nagpatuloy na din ang laban ng mga Pinoy.
Ano ang ibig sabihin nito? Na hindi payag ang mga Pinoy sa Biak-na-Bato pact?
Or hindi alam ng mga Pinoy ang kasunduan sa Biak-na-Bato pact?
(Paano ba mabilis na ipaalam ni Aguinaldo ang nilalaman ng Biak-na-Bato pact
sa walong lalawigan na lumalaban eh wala naman telepono, txt, email pa noon?)

After pumirma si Aguinaldo sa Biak-Na-Bato Pact,
Kahit wala si Aguinaldo, nagpatuloy pa ding lumaban ang mga Pinoy sa mga Kastila.
Iniwan ni Aguinaldo ang labanang Pilipino at Kastila.

After nag pledge-of-allegiance si Aguinaldo sa mga Amerikano,
nagpatuloy pa ding lumaban ang mga Pinoy sa mga Amerikano.
Lumaban pa din si Miguel Malvar at Macario Sakay sa mga Amerikano.
Iniwan Ni Aguinaldo ang labanang Pilipino at Amerikano.

Iniwan ni Aguinaldo ang mga Pinoy sa gitna ng MGA labanan.
Iniwan ni Aguinaldo ang mga Pinoy sa ere.

Unlike Andres Bonifacio at Antonio Luna,
ang paglaban at pagkampi ni Aguinaldo sa mga dayuhan ay negotiable.
Maituturing mo ba ngayon na "necessary"
ang pagkamatay ni Andres Bonifacio sa kamay ng mga Aguinaldo et al?
Maituturing mo ba ngayon na "necessary"
ang pagkamatay ni Antonio Luna sa kamay ng mga Aguinaldo et al?

Pakibasa po ito para malaman po ninyo kung gaano
ka-astig at tigasin itong si General Antonio Luna
Quote:'Better to fall than to accept foreign rule'
By Ambeth Ocampo
Inquirer
First Posted 01:20:00 08/02/2006

Filed Under: Human Interest
Published on Page A11 of the August 2, 2006 issue of the Philippine Daily Inquirer

SOMEONE asked me recently why the late Ferdinand Marcos was a great admirer of Antonio Luna, brother of the famous painter, friend of Jose Rizal, general during the Filipino-American War. My first reaction was that maybe this was because of Ilocano pride since "Apo Marcos" was the famous "Anac ti Batac," a son of Batac town in the northern province of Ilocos Norte, like Artemio Ricarte; and Luna, although he was born in Manila's Binondo area and signed himself in the newspaper La Solidaridad as "Taga-ilog," came from a family that traced its roots to another Ilocos town, Badoc.

The late historian Teodoro Agoncillo told me that one time, he and Marcos were sitting in the presidential study in Malacañang when the President turned and pointed to a bust of Antonio Luna. "This is the greatest general of the revolution," Marcos said. "He is a distant relation of mine." Agoncillo snorted and said under his breath, "Well, that's your
misfortune."

As he told me this anecdote, Agoncillo declared, "Luna was the greatest general of the Filipino-American War who did not win a single battle." Obviously, he wanted me to ask why. And when the dutiful disciple did as expected, we spent a whole afternoon discussing Luna and Apolinario Mabini.

Ever since that time, I have picked up anything and everything on these two heroes who always pale in comparison because of the overemphasis on Rizal. I keep promising to write a book about these two men, who for me were the true and living conscience of the Revolution.

Fortunately, there are a lot of materials on Antonio Luna, both autobiographical and those based on the recollections of his contemporaries. What is more important is that he gave interviews like the one published in the May 20, 1899 issue of La Independencia that gives us the flavor of his conversation and the sharpness of his convictions. I share an English translation here by J.R.M. Taylor:

Q: At the present time, there is a considerable amount of talk about the autonomy offered by the American Commission. What do you say about it? What line of conduct do you propose to follow? Do you think the people will choose it?

A: So far, I have not even thought of reading or studying the principles of the autonomy. The Filipino nation seeks its independence. I will sustain the cause of my country until the very end, in compliance with the oath I made to my flag.

Without exaggeration or exaltation, I sincerely confess to you that it is always better to fall on the field of battle than to accept any foreign rule. I said so before the war and repeat it now.

All of the generals with whom I have had communication -- Tinio, Macabulos, Concepcion, Mascardo, Pilar and Torres -- are of the same opinion. Those of the south are still more decided. The military together with the civil party, will not deliver their arms or accept autonomy. I have profound convictions of what I say, since in a kind of plebiscite I have asked people whether they wanted autonomy. Do you know what they
answered me? "Long Live Independence! May autonomy die!" Those were the answers I received in eight of the central provinces I addressed. On repeated occasions I asked the entire population of towns who were fleeing from the enemy, "Are you discouraged? Do you want peace? Do you wish to return to your pueblos?"

And they -- women, old men and children -- would answer: "We have started to fight for our independence, we will continue, we will lose all before we will live under the domination of those who humble and destroy us."

Q: It has been said that the army is already discouraged in the struggle, has this any truth?

A: They say they are discouraged? I do not think they are able to prove it. From the 23rd of April until the fourth of [May 1899] when I was forced, although with sorrow, to abandon them, my troops fought with an enthusiasm which I admire, I have had the fifth part of my leaders and officers wounded, two majors and five officers killed (this is an exact statement). However, I ask them if they are discouraged.

In Mexico [town], Dolores and in Calulut after Pulilan, Bagbag, Kalumpit and Apalit, I think the enemy must have been convinced that we were firmly decided as ever to resist. After the resistance at Santo Tomas where the soldiers met a bayonet charge with naked breasts, can the contrary be affirmed? When I retired wounded at half past two, we were in front of the station of that town. Those troops will open a way for themselves in case
they attempt to surround them because they have good leaders and officers and the soldiers know how to fight.

The loss of territory is a motive that some refer to in order to justify their weakness. Are these gentlemen right? No, they are wrong. They have made an error. We have lost nothing. The towns we have abandoned in Luzon mean nothing. Study, if you wish, the map of the islands and you will be convinced that what we have lost does not amount to a hundredth part of the whole. We are abstemious and our abstemiousness with the harvest the country will yield will be our principal support. We have a large extent of uncultivated land. Let everyone work; a part of the men in the war and the rest in the field; the women and children in making bandages, lint and cloth, taking care of and sympathizing with the wounded, and, if possible, making cartridges and then we will attain our ideal.
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Si Jose Rizal ay bayani.
Si Andres Bonifacio ay bayani.
Si Emilio Jacinto ay bayani.
Si Antonio Luna ay bayani.

Si Emilio Aguinaldo.... ay politiko.
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Tumakbong Presidente si Emilio Aguinaldo laban kay Manuel Quezon.
Ayaw ng mga Pinoy kay Emilio Aguinaldo, nanalo si Manuel Quezon. (By Landslide)
Natalo si Emilio Aguinaldo.
Ayaw ng mga Pinoy kay Emilio Aguinaldo.
Natalo si Emilio Aguinaldo.

Kung ginanap siguro ang halalan between Emilio Aguinaldo at Manuel Quezon sa Tejeros Cavite,
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Quote:Napanood ko kanina sa TV yung kwento ng Tejeros convention kaya naalala ko na may nabasa akong article nito, kaya naisip kong kopyahin at ipost dito. Dagdag ko lang din, sabi nung isa sa mga historian na nagsalita dun sa documentary na napanood ko, ginahasa pa daw ng isa sa mga tauhan ni Aguinaldo ang asawa ni Andres Bonifacio na si Gregoria de Jesus.

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sobrang haba. pero tnx po sa share

basahin ko po ito paunti unti araw araw Smile

salamat po ulit salute

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elmaw basahin mo tol, interesting yan. Bigay ka din ng opinyon mo.

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aw, sad ganun pala yun. ngaun ko lang nlaman. Bonifacio was innocent then (perhaps partly if not absolutely) Big Grin

tnx sa info salute

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dapat nga si Bonifacio ang ating national hero.. under kase tayo ng US government nun, kaya sila na rin ang nag appoint na si rizal ang national hero.. alangan namang iapoint nila ang isang kumakalaban sa kanilang gobyerno? si Rizal kasi ang nilabanan niya is Spanish Government lang. unlike kay Bonifacio Spanish maski US.

sila din may hawak kay Aguinaldo at mas maiging pagrambulin ng muna ng US ang mga Pinoy para magkaroon ng paksyon, sa gayon hindi magkakaroon ng pagkakaisa sa Pilipinas laban sa US. Dagdag na doon yung hangad ni Aguinaldong kapangyarihan.

kaya minaiging ipapatay nila si Bonifacio at syempre para malinis na naman sila, si Aguinaldo ang nakatoka sa Pilipinas that time para usigin si Bonifacio.

alam kasi ng US ang kakayahan ni Bonifacio, at magiging sakit nila ng ulo ito na magdudulot ng pagkakaalis nila agad sa paghawak sa ating bansa.

kaya nga sa sobrang takot nila sa pagsakop ng Japan sa buong Asia noong World War 2, ganun uli deskarte nila "I shall return" kuno sabi nung hampas lupang General ng US. ang ipinangsabong sa Japan ay tayong mga Pinoy, sibat si gago habang nakikipagrambulan ang mga Pinoy sa Japan. eh kaya nga nakikipagrambol naman ang ibang Pinoy kasi kinundisyon na ng US ang mga isip ng Pinoy na loko-loko ang Japan. pero sa totoo lang mas maganda nga kung ang Japan ang may hawak sa atin noon, pero hindi ko sinasabing payag ako na hawak tayo ng Japan. dahil hindi naman walang hiya ang Japan kung sakali, ang totoo pinalitaw lang nila at ng mga Pro US na historian na ungas daw ang Japan Government. oo may ilan din na abusadong sundalo ng Japan pero hindi marami yun! hindi Majority! pero pinalalabas na halos lahat. kita naman sa mga History book panay masasamang tirada ng Japan ang inuulat tapos yung sa US wala!

kung mapapansin niyo ganyan din ang nangyari sa Iraq at ngayon naman sa Libya, komo Super Power sila may kakayahan silang ibahin ang istorya. pinalitaw na may chemical warfare si Saddam at pinalitaw na may mga nagaaklas na grupo sa gobyerno ni Kadhafi. ngayon gagamitin nila yung bahaging yun na umaaklas, hindi kasi pwedeng atakihin nila yun ng walang dahilan. pero sa totoo ang isyu na nakapaloob diyan ay langis na gusto nilang hawakan.

kaya siguradong may Aguinaldo rin sa Iraq at Libya na hawak ng US. maliit lang yun pero siguradong nagmumukhang malaki sa pamamagitan ng exaggerated nilang mga pahayag.

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thank you sa info tol meron akong konteng idea bout bonifacio at aguinaldo pero di ganon kalawak salamat sa share thumbsup1
thats why i used this name kase idol ko katapangan,talino at puso ni bonifacio wink

@gangster thank you din boss sa share yan din ang duda ko sa diskarte ng mga kano Big Grin

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(03-23-2011 06:42 AM)gangster Wrote: Register to forum by clicking here to see links.dapat nga si Bonifacio ang ating national hero.. under kase tayo ng US government nun, kaya sila na rin ang nag appoint na si rizal ang national hero.. alangan namang iapoint nila ang isang kumakalaban sa kanilang gobyerno? si Rizal kasi ang nilabanan niya is Spanish Government lang. unlike kay Bonifacio Spanish maski US.

I disagree...

Here is an scholarly article about the selection of Rizal as the foremost national hero...Kindly read the whole article...thank you
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Who made Jose Rizal our foremost national hero, and why?

By: Esteban A. de Ocampo

Dr. Jose Rizal Mercado y Alonso, or simply Jose Rizal (1861-1896), is unquestionably the greatest hero & martyr of our nation. The day of his birth & the day of his execution are fittingly commemorated by all classes of our people throughout the length & breadth of this country & even by Filipinos & their friends abroad. His name is a byword in every Filipino home while his picture adorns the postage stamp & paper money of widest circulation. No other Filipino hero can surpass Rizal in the number of towns, barrios, & streets named after him; in the number of educational institutions, societies, & trade names that bear his name; in the number of persons, both Filipinos & foreigners, who were named "Rizal" or "Rizalina" because of their parents’ admiration for the Great Malayan; & in the number of laws, Executive Orders & Proclamations of the Chief Executive, & bulletins, memoranda, & circulars of both the bureaus of public & private schools. Who is the Filipino writer & thinker whose teachings & noble thoughts have been frequently invoked & quoted by authors & public speakers on almost all occasions? None but Rizal. And why is this so? Because as biographer Rafael Palma (1) said, "The doctrines of Rizal are not for one epoch but for all epochs. They are as valid today as they were yesterday. It cannot be said that because the political ideals of Rizal have been achieved, because of the change in the institutions, the wisdom of his counsels or the value of his doctrines have ceased to be opportune. They have not."

Quote:Unfortunately, however, there are still some Filipinos who entertain the belief that Rizal is a "made-to-order" national hero, & that the maker or manufacturer in this case were the Americans, particularly Civil Governor William Howard Taft. This was done allegedly, in the following manner:

"And now, gentlemen, you must have a national hero". These were supposed to be the words addressed by Gov. Taft to Mssrs. Pardo de Tavera, Legarda & Luzurriaga, Filipino members of the Philippine Commission, of which Taft was the chairman. It was further reported that "in the subsequent discussion in which the rival merits of the revolutionary heroes (M. H. del Pilar, Graciano Lopez Jaena, Gen. Antonio Luna, Emilio Jacinto, & Andres Bonifacio—O.) were considered, the final choice—now universally acclaimed a wise one—was Rizal. And so history was made."(2)

This article will attempt to answer two questions: 1) Who made Rizal the foremost national hero & 2) Why is Rizal our greatest national hero? Before proceeding to answer these queries, it will be better if we first know the meaning of the term hero. According to Webster’s New International Dictionary of the English Language, a hero is "a prominent or central personage taking admirable part in any remarkable action or event". Also, "a person of distinguished valor or enterprise in danger". And finally, he is a man "honored after death by public worship, because of exceptional service to mankind".

Why is Rizal a hero, nay, our foremost national hero? He is our greatest hero because as a towering figure in the Propaganda Campaign, he took an "admirable part" in that movement w/c roughly covered the period from 1882-1896. If we were asked to pick out a single work by a Filipino writer during this period, more than any writer writing, contributed tremendously to the formation of Filipino nationality, we shall have no hesitation tin choosing Rizal’s Noli Me Tangere (Berlin, 1887). It is true that Pedro Paterno published his novel, Ninay, in Madrid in 1885; M. H. del Pilar his La Soberania Monacal in Barcelona in 1889, Graciano Lopez Jaena, his Discursos y Articulos Varios, also in Barcelona in 1891; & Antonio Luna, his Impresiones in Madrid in 1893, but none of these books had evoked such favorable & unfavorable comments from friends & foes alike as did Rizal’s Noli.

Typical of the encomiums that the hero received for his novel were those received from Antonio Ma. Regidor & Prof. Ferdinand Blumentritt. Regidor, a Filipino exile of 1872 in London, said that "the book was superior" & that if "don Quixote has made its author immortal because he exposed to the world the sufferings of Spain, your Noli Me Tangere will bring you equal glory…" (3) Blumentritt, after reading Rizal’s Noli, wrote & congratulated its author, saying among other things: "Your work, as we Germans say, has been written w/ the blood of the heart... Your work has exceeded my hopes & I consider myself happy to have been honored by your friendship. Not only I, but also your country, may feel happy for having in you a patriotic & loyal son. If you continue so, you will be to your people one of those great men who will exercise a determinative influence over the progress of their spiritual life." (4)

If Rizal’s friends & admirers praised w/ justifiable pride the Noli & its author, his enemies were equally loud & bitter in attacking & condemning the same. Perhaps no other work has, up to this day, aroused as much acrimonious debate not only among our people but also among reactionary foreigners as the Noli of Rizal. In the Philippines the hero’s novel was attacked & condemned by a faculty committee of a Manila university (UST) & by the permanent censorship commission in 1887. the committee said that it found the book "heretical, impious, & scandalous to the religious order, & unpatriotic & subversive to the public order, libelous to the govt. of Spain & to its political policies in these islands", while the commission recommended that "the importation, reproduction, & circulation of this pernicious book in the islands be absolutely prohibited." (5) Coming down to our time, during the congressional discussions & hearings on the Rizal (Noili-Fili) in 1956, the proponents & opponents of the bill also engaged themselves in a bitter & long drawn-out debate the finally resulted in the enactment of a compromise measure, now known as RA 1425.

The attacks on Rizal’s 1st novel were not only confined in the Philippines but were also staged in the Spanish capital. There, Sen. Vida, Deputy (& ex-general) Luis de Pando & Premier Praxedes Mateo Sagasta were among those who unjustly lambasted & criticized Rizal & his Noli in the 2 chambers of the Spanish Cortes in 1888 & 1889. (6) it is comforting to learn however, that about 13 years later, Cong. Henry Allen Cooper of Wisconsin delivered an eulogy of Rizal & even recited the martyr’s Ultimo Pensamiento on the floor of the U. S. House of Representatives in order to prove the capacity of the Filipinos for self- government. He said in part: "It has been said that, if American institutions had done nothing else to furnish to the world the character of George Washington, that alone would entitle them to the respect of mankind. So Sir, I say to all those who denounces the Filipinos indiscriminately as barbarians & savages, w/o possibility of a civilized future, that this despised race proved itself entitled to their respect & to the respect of mankind when it furnished to the world the character of Jose Rizal."(7) The result of this appeal was the approval of what is popularly known as the Philippine Bill of 1902.

The preceding paragraphs have shown that by the Noli alone Rizal, among his contemporaries, had become the most prominent/ the central figure of the Propaganda Movement.

Again, we ask the question: why did Rizal, become the greatest Filipino hero? Because in this writer’s humble opinion, no Filipino has yet been born who could equal or surpass Rizal as a "person of distinguished valor/enterprise in danger, fortitude in suffering." Of these traits of our hero, let us see what a Filipino & an American biographer said:

"What is most admirable in Rizal," wrote Rafael Palma, is his complete self-denial, his complete abandonment of his personal interests to think only of those of his country. He could have been whatever he wished to be, considering his natural endowmwnts; he could have earned considerable sums of money from his profession; he could have lived relatively rich, happy, prosperous, had he not dedicated himself to public matters. But in him, the voice of the species was stronger than the voice of personal progress or of private fortune, & he preferred to live far from his family & to sacrifice his personal affections for an ideal he had dreamed of. He heeded not his brother, not even his parents, beings whom he respected & venerated so much, in order to follow the road his conscience had traced for him.

He did not have great means at his disposal to carry out his campaign, but that did not discouraged him; he contented himself w/ what he had. He suffered the rigors of the cold winter of Europe, he suffered hunger, privation, & misery; but when he raised his eyes to heaven & saw his ideal, his hope was reborn. He complained of his countrymen, he complained of some of those who had promosed him help & did not help him, until at times, profoundly disillusioned, he wanted to renounce his campaign forever, giving up everything. But such moments are evanescent, he soon felt comforted & resumed the task of bearing the cross of his suffering." (8)

Dr. Frank C. Laubach, an American biographer of Rizal, spoke of the hero’s coueage in the following words:

His consuming life purpose was the secret of his moral courage. Physical courage, it is true, was one of his inherited traits. But that high courage to die loving his murderers, w/c he at last achieved--that cannot be inherited. It must be forged out in the fires of suffering & temptation. As we read through his life, we can see how the moral sinew & fiber grew year by year as he faced new perils & was forced to make fearful decisions. It required courage to write his 2 great novels telling nothing that no otherman has ventured to say before, standing almost alone against the powerful interests in the country & in Spain, & knowing full well that despotism would strike back. He had reached another loftier plateau of heroism when he wrote those letters to Hong Kong, "To be opened after my death", & sailed to the "trap" in Manila w/o any illusions. Then in his Dapitan exile when he was tempted to escape, & said "No", not once but hundreds of times for 4 long years, & when, on the way to Cuba, Pedro Roxas pleaded w/ him to step off the boat of Singapore upon British territory & save his life, what an inner struggle it must have caused him to answer over & over again, "No, no, no!" When the sentence of death & the fateful morning of his execution brought the final test, 30 Dec 1896, he walked w/ perfect calm to the firing line as though by his own choice, the only heroic figure in that sordid scene." (9)

To the bigoted Spaniards in Spain & in the Philippines, Rizal was the most intelligent, most courageous, & most dangerous enemy of the reactionaries & the tyrants; therefore he should be shot publicly to serve as an example & a warning to those of his kind. This was the reason why Rizal, after a brief mock trial, was sentenced to death & made to face the firing squad at Bagumbayan Field, now Luneta, in the early morning of 30 Dec 1896.

And for the 3rd & the last time, we repeat the question: Why is Rizal the greatest Filipino hero that ever lived? Because "he is a man honored after death by public worship, because of exceptional service to mankind". We can say that even before his execution, Rizal was the already acclaimed by both Filipinos & foreigners as the foremost leader of his people". Writing from Barcelona to the Great Malayan on 10 Mar 1889, M. H. del Pilar said: "Rizal no tiene aun derecho a morir: su nombre constituye la mas pura e immaculada bandera de aspirationes y Plaridel los suyos no son otra causa ma que immaculada unos voluntarios que militan bajo esa bandera."(10) Fernando Acevedo, who called Rizal his distinguido amigo, compañero y paisano", wrote the letter from Zaragoza, Spain, on 25 Oct 1889: "I see in you the model Filipino; your application to study & you talents have placed on a height w/c I revere & admire." (11) The Bicolano Dr. Tomas Arejola wrote Rizal in Madrid, 9 Feb 1891, saying: "Your moral influence over us is indisputable." (12) And Guillermo Puatu of Bulacan wrote this tribute to Rizal, saying: "Vd. a quien se le puede (llamar) con razon, cabeza tutelary de los Filipinos, aunque la comparacion parezca algo ridicula, porque posee la virtud la atraer consigo enconadas voluntades, zanjar las discordias y enemistades renorosasnreuniren fiestas a hombres que no querian verse ni en la calle… (12a)

Among the foreigners who recognized Rizal as the leading Filipino of his time were Blumentritt, Napoleon M. Kheil, Dr. Rheinhold Rost, & Vicente Barrantes. Prof. Blumentritt told Dr. Maximo Viola in May 1887 that "Rizal was the greatest product of the Philippines & that his coming to the world was like the appearance of a rare comet, whose rare brilliance appears only every other century." (13) napoleon Kheil of Prague, Austria, wrote to Rizal & said: "admiro en Vd. a un noble representante de la España colonial." (13a) Dr. Rost, distinguished Malayologist & librarian of the India office of London, called Rizal "una perla hombre" (14) , while don Vicente Barrantes had to admit that Rizal was ‘the first among the Filipinos" (14)

Even before the outbreak of the revolution against Spain in 1896, many instances can be cited to prove that his country here & abroad recognized Rizal’s leadership. In the early part of 1899 he was unanimously elected by the Filipinos in Barcelona & Madrid as honorary pres. of la Solidaridad. (17) Some months later in Paris, he organized & became chief of the Indios Bravos. In Jan 1891, Rizal was again unanimously chosen Responsable (chief) of the Spanish-Filipino Association. (18) He was also the founder & moving spirit in the founding of la Liga Filipina on Manila in 3 Jul 1892.

History tells us tat the revolutionary society known as Katipunan likewise acknowledged Rizal’s leadership & greatness by making him its honorary President & by using his family name Rizal as the password for the 3rd-degree members. (19)

A year after Rizal’s execution, Gen. Emilio Aguinaldo & the other revolutionary chiefs exiled to Hong Kong held a commemorative program there on 29 Dec 1897 on the occasion of the 1st anniversary of the hero’s execution & martyrdom. (20)

Of utmost significance in the public’s appreciation for Rizal’s patriotic labors in behalf of his people were the tributes paid by the revolutionary government to his memory. In his opening address at the congress assembled at Malolos, Bulacan on 15 Sep 1898, Pres. Aguinaldo invoked the spirits of the departed heroes of the fatherland, thus:

Illustrious spirits of RIZAL, Lopez Jaena, of Marcelo del Pilar! August shades of Burgos, Pelaez & Panganiban! Warlike geniuses of Aguinaldo! (Crispulo---O.), & Tirona, of Natividad & Evangelista! Arise a moment from your unknown graves! (21)

Then on 20 Dec 1898 at the revolutionary capital of Malolos, Pres. Aguinaldo issued the 1st official proclamation making 30 Dec of that year as "Rizal Day". The same proclamation ordered the hoisting the Filipino flags at half-mast "from 12:00 noon on 30 Dec 1898" and the closing of "all offices of the government" during the whole day of 30 Dec. actually, the impressive Rizal Day program, sponsored by the Club Filipino, was held in Manila on 30 Dec 1898. (22a)

It should be further noted that both the La Independencia, edited by Gen. Antonio Luna, & the El Heraldo de la Revolucion, official organ of the revolutionary government, issued a special supplement in honor of Rizal in one of their December issues in 1898.

Two of the greatest of Filipino poets in the Spanish language paid glowing tributes to the martyr of Bagumbayan in acknowledgement of the hero’s labors & sacrifices for his people. Fernando Ma. Guerrero wrote on 25 Sep 1898, thus:

"No has muerto, no. La Gloria es tu destino; tu corona los fuegos de la aurora, y tu inviolable altar nuestra conciencia." (23)

And Cecilio Apostol, on 30 Dec of the same year, wrote these lines:

"!Duerme en paz las sombras de la nada,

Redentor de una Patria esclavizada!

!No llores de la tumba en el misterio

Del español el triunfo momentaneo:

Que si Una bala destrozo tu craneo,

Tambien tu idea destrozo un emperio! (24)

The Filipinos were not alone in grieving the untimely death of their hero & idol, for the intellectual & scientific circles of the world felt keenly the loss of Rizal, who was their esteemed colleague & friend. Dr. Camilo Osias & Wenceslao E. Retaña both spoke of the universal homage accorded to Rizal immediately after his death. Dr. Osias wrote thus:

Expressions of deep sympathy came from Blumentritt & many others such as Dr. Renward Braustetter of Lucerne, a scholar on things Malay; Dr. Feodor Jagor, a German author of Philippine Travels; Dr. Friedrich Ratzel, an emeinent German geographer & ethnographer; Señor Ricardo Palma, a distinguished man of letters from Peru; Prof. M Buchner, director of the Ethnographic Museum of Munich & a noted Malayologist; Monsieur Edmont Planchut, a French Orientalist, author of various works & writer on Philippine subjects; Dr. W. Joest, eminent German geographer & professor at the University of Berlin; Dr. H. Kern, professor of Sanskrit in the University of Leiden & celebrated authority on Malay affairs; Dr. J. Montano, a distinguished French linguist & anthropologist & author of a Memoria on the Philippines; Dr. F. Mueller, professor of the University of Vienna & a great philologist; a noted Dutch literary woman who signed H. D. Teenk Willink, author of a touching & conscientious biography of Rizal; Herr Manfred Wittich, writer of Leipzig; Dr. Betances, Cuban political leader; Dr. Boettger, a noted German naturalist & author of works on the fauna of the Philippines; Dr. A. B. Meyer, director of the Museum of Ethnography at Dresden & eminent Filipinologist; M. Odekerchen of Leige, director of l’Express, a newspaper where Rizal wrote articles; Dr. Ed Seler, translator in German of Rizal’s My Last Farewell; Mr. H. W. Bray, a distinguished English writer; Mr. John Foreman, author of works on the Philippines & Rizal; Herr C. m. Heller, a German naturalist; Dr. H. Stolpe, a Swedish savant who spoke & published on the Philippines & Rizal; Mr. Armand Lelinsky, Austrian engineer & writer; Dr. J. M. Podhovsky, a notable Czech write, author of various works on the Philippines & Dr. Rizal. (25)

Among the scientific necrological services held especially to honor Rizal, the one sponsored by the Anthropological Society of Berlin in 20 Nov 1897 at the initiative of Dr. Rudolph Virchow, its president, was the most important & significant. Dr. Ed Seler recited the German translation of Rizal’s "My Last Farewell" on that occasion. (26)

The newspapers, magazines, & other periodicals throughout the civilized world – in Germany, Austria, France, Holland, London, the US, Japan, Hong Kong & Macao, Singapore, Switzerland, & in Latin American countries—published accounts of Rizal’s martyrdom in order to render homage to his greatness. (27)

Did the Americans, especially Gov. W. H. Taft, really choose Rizal out of several Filipino patriots as the No. 1 hero of his people? Nothing could be farther from the truth. In the preceding pages, we have shown beyond the shadow of a doubt that the Great Malayan, by his own efforts & sacrifices for his oppressed countrymen, had projected himself as the foremost leader of the Philippines until the moment of his immolation, & this fact was spontaneously acknowledged not only by his own people but also the elite of other lands who intimately knew his patriotic labors. We have likewise shown that immediately after his execution, his own people had justly acclaimed him as their foremost hero & martyr. The intellectual & scientific world, as we have also demonstrated, was not slow in according him signal honors as a hero of humanity & as an apostle of freedom.

Mr. Taft, as chairman of the 2nd Philippine Commission, arrived in the Philippines in June 1900. This commission began its legislative functions on 1st September of the same year. On June 11 of the ensuing year the Philippine commission approved Act no. 137, w/c organized the "politico-military district of Morong" into the "Province of Rizal". This was the 1st official step taken by the Taft commission to honor our greatest hero & martyr. It should be borne in mind that 6 days before the passage of Act no. 137, the Taft commission held a meeting at the town of Pasig for the purpose of organizing the province. In that meeting attended by the leading citizens of both Manila & Morong, a plan was presented to combine the 2 districts into one, but this proposal met w/ determined & vigorous objections from the leaders of Morong.

"At this point", reads the ‘Minutes of Proceedings’ of the Taft commission, "Dr. Tavera, of the Federal Party, who accompanied the commission, asked that he might make a suggestion w/ reference to the proposed union of Manila & Morong provinces. It was his opinion that in case of union neither the name of Morong nor Manila ought to be retained. He then stated the custom w/c prevailed in th US & other countries of naming important localities/districts in memory of some illustrious citizen of the country. In line w/ this he suggested that the united provinces be named ‘Rizal’ in memory & honor of the most illustrious Filipino & the most illustrious Tagalog the islands had ever known. The president (Taft—O.) stated that the commission, not less than the Filipinos, felt proud to do honor to the name of Rizal, & if, after consideration, it decided to unite the 2 provinces, it would have the pleasure, if such action met the desires of the people, in giving the new province the name of Rizal". (28)

it is obvious then that the idea of naming the district of Morong after Rizal came from Dr. Pardo de Tavera, a Filipino, & not from Judge Taft, an American. It is interesting to know that 2 countrymen of Mr. Taft—Justice George A. Malcolm & Dr. Frank C. Laubach—who both resided in the Philippines for many years & who were very familiar w/ the history & lives of great Filipinos—do not subscribe to the view that Jose Rizal is an American-made hero. Justice Malcolm has this to say:

In those early days (of the American occupation—O.), it was bruited about that the Americans had ‘made’ Rizal a hero to serve their purposes. That was indeed a sinister interpretation of voluntary American action designed to pay tribute to a great man. (29)

Dr. Laubach’s view about the question is as follows:

The tradition that every American hears when he reaches the Philippine Islands is that W. H. Taft, feeling that the Filipinos needed a hero, made one out of Rizal. We trust this book (Rizal: Man & Martyr—O.) will serve to show how empty that statement is. it speaks well for Taft that he was sufficiently free from racial prejudice to appreciate in some measure the stature of a great Filipino. It was a Spaniard who did more than any other to save Rizal for posterity—Retaña whose work (Vida Escritos del Dr. Jose Rizal, Madrid, 1907), is by far the most complete & scholarly than we have(in1936—O.). like Rizal, he lost all his money in the cause of the Filipinos, & died a poor man. (30)

Granting for the sake of argument that the Taft commission chose Rizal out of several great Filipinos as the No. 1 hero of his people, still we can say that what the commission did was merely to confirm a sort of fait accompli, & that was that Jose Rizal had already been acclaimed by his countrymen & the scientific world as the foremost hero & martyr of the land of his birth. Nay, we can go even farther & concur w/ Prof. Blumentritt, who said in 1897:

Not only is Rizal THE MOST PROMINENT MAN OF HIS OWN PEOPLE but THE GREATEST MAN THE MALAYAN RACE HAS PRODUCED. His memor ywill never perish in his fatherland, & future generations of Spaniards will yet toutter his name w/ respect & reverence. (31) (capitalization supplied)

Perhaps the following quotation from the late William Cameron Forbes, an ardent admirer of Rizal & the governor-general of the Philippines during the construction of the Rizal Mausoleum on the Luneta, is appropriate at this point. He said:

It is eminently proper that Rizal should have become the acknowledged national hero of the Philippine people. The American administration has lent every assistance to this recognition, setting aside the anniversary of his death to be a day of his observance, placing his picture on the postage stamp most commonly used in the Islands, & on the currency, cooperating w/ the Filipinos in making the site of his school in Dapitan a national park, & encouraging the erection by public subscription of a monument in his honor on the Luneta in Manila near the place where he met his death. One of the longest & most important street in Manila has been named in his memory—Rizal Avenue. The Filipinos in many cities & towns have erected monuments to his name, & throughout the Islands the public schools teach the young Filipinos to revere his memory as the greatest of Filipino patriots. (32)

Now and then we come across some Filipinos who venture the opinion that Andres Bonifacio, & not Jose Rizal, deserves to be acknowledged & canonized as our first national hero. They maintain that Rizal never held a gun, a rifle, or a sword in fighting for the liberty & independence of our country in the battlefield. They further assert that while the foremost national heroes of other countries are soldier-generals, like George Washington of US, Napoleon I & Joan of Arc of France, simon Bolivar of Venezuela, Jose de San Martin of Argentina, Bernardo O’Higgins of Chile, Jimmu Tenno of Japan, etc., our greatest hero was a pacifist & a civilian whose weapon was his quill. However, our people in exercising their good sense, independent judgment, & unusual discernment, have not followed the examples of other nations in selecting & acknowledging a military leader for their greatest hero. Rafael Palma has very well stated the case of Rizal versus Bonifacio in these words:

It should be a source of pride & satisfaction to the Filipinos to have among their national heroes one of such excellent qualities & merits w/c may be equaled but not surpassed by any other man. Whereas generally the heroes of occidental nations are warriors & generals who serve their cause w/ the sword, distilling blood & tears, the hero of the Filipinos served his cause w/ the pen, demonstrating that the pen is as mighty as the sword to redeem a people from their political slavery. It is true that in our case the sword of Bonifacio was after all needed to shake off the yoke of a foreign power; but the revolution prepared by Bonifacio was only the effect, the consequence of the spiritual redemption wrought by the pen of Rizal. Hence not only in the chronological order but also in the point of importancethe previous works of Rizal seems to us superior to that of Bonicacio, because although that of Bonifacio was of immediate results, that of Rizal will have more durable & permanent effects. (33)

And let us note further what other great men said about the pen being mightier & more powerful than the sword. Napoleon I himself, who was a great conqueror & ruler, said: "There are only two powers in the world; the sword & the pen; and in the end the former is always conquered by the latter". (34) The following statement of Sir Thomas Browne is more applicable to the role played by Rizal in our libertarian struggle: "Scholars are men of peace; they bear no arms; but their tongues are sharper than the sword; their pens carry further & give a louder report than thunder. I had rather stand in the shock of a basilisk than in the fury of a merciless pen". (35) And finally, let us quote from Bulwer: "take away the sword; states can be saved w/o it; bring the pen!

For those who may still doubt & question the fact that Rizal is greater, far greater than Bonifacio, or any other Filipino hero, the following observation by Retaña will be sufficient:

Todos los paises tienen su idolo mas ninguno tiene un mayor idolo; que Filipinas. Antes desaparecera de los Estados Unidos---!y ya decir!---la memoria de Washington, que de Filipinas la memoria de RIZAL. No fue rizal, como medico, un Mariani, ni como dibujante un Gustavo Dore, ni como antropologo un Virchow, ni como poeta un Goethe, ni como filipinista un Blumentritt, ni como historiador un Macaulay, ni como pensador un Hervas, ni como malayologo un Kern, ni como filiosofo un Descartes, ni como novelista un Zola, ni como literato un Menendez y Pelayon in como escultor un Querol, ni como geografo un Reclus, ni como tirador un Pini…Distinguiose en muchas disciplinas; pero en ninguna de ellas alcanzo ese grado supremo que asegura la inmortalidad. Fue patriota; fue martir del amor a su pais. Pero en caso de Rizal hay otros Filipinos; y ?en que consiste que rizal esta a miles de cudos sobre todos ellos? Sencillamente, en la finura exquisita de su espiritu, en la nobleza quijotesca de su corazon, en su psicologia toda, romantica, soñadora, buena, adorable, psicologia que sintelizo todos los sentimientos y aspiraciones de un pueblo que sufria viendose victima de un regimen oprobioso…El espiritu de la Revolucion tagala se juzga por este solo hecho; Fue, como es sabido, el brazo armado de aquel movimiento Andres Bonifacio; he ahi el hombre que dio el primer grito contra tirania el que acaudillo las primeras huestes el que murio en la brecha…Y a ese hombre apenas se le recuerda; no se la eregido ningun monumento; los vates populares no le han cantado…Mientras que a RIZAL, enemigo de le Revolucion, que califico de salvaje y deshonrosa, le glorifica el pueblo deificarle…?No se ve en esto un pueblo eminentamente espiritual, que tuvo en RIZAL un resumen viviente? Todo Filipino lleva dentro de si algo del demagogo Bonifacio.

La inmortalidad de RIZAL esta asegurada de cien maneras. Pero como mas asegurada esta es poque los millones de Filipinos de hoy, de mañana y de siempre beben y beberan espiritu de RIZAL; no se nutren de otra cosa. (37)

In the preceding pages we have tried to show that Rizal was not only a great hero, but the greatest among the Filipinos. As a matter of fact, the Austrian savant Prof. Blumentritt judged him as "the most prominent man of his own people" and "the greatest man the Malayan race has produced". We have also shown during his lifetime, Rizal was already acclaimed by both Filipinos & foreigners as the foremost leader of his people & that this admiration for him has increased w/ the passing of time since his dramatic death on the Luneta that fateful morning of 30 December 1896. Likewise, we attempted to disprove the claim made by some quarters that Rizal is an American-made hero, & we also tried to explain why Rizal is greater than any other Filipino hero, including Andres Bonifacio.

Who made Rizal the foremost hero of the Philippines? The answer is: no single person or groups of persons were responsible for making the Greatest Malayan the No. 1 Hero of his people. Rizal himself, his own people, & the foreigners all together contributed to make him the greatest hero & martyr of his people. No amount of adulation & canonization by both Filipinos & foreigners could convert Rizal into a great hero if he did not possess in himself what Palma calls "excellent qualities & merits" or what Retaña calls "la finura exquisite de su espiritu,…la nobleza quijotesca de su corazon,… su psicologia toda, romantica, soñadora, buena, adorable, psicologia que sintetizo todos los entimientos y aspiraciones de un pueblo que sufria, viendose victima de su regimen oprobioso…."

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(03-23-2011 06:42 AM)gangster Wrote: Register to forum by clicking here to see links.dapat nga si Bonifacio ang ating national hero.. under kase tayo ng US government nun, kaya sila na rin ang nag appoint na si rizal ang national hero.. alangan namang iapoint nila ang isang kumakalaban sa kanilang gobyerno? si Rizal kasi ang nilabanan niya is Spanish Government lang. unlike kay Bonifacio Spanish maski US.

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tutol ka na hindi nilabanan ni Rizal ang gobyerno ng Amerika? confused

commonsense lang yan, sino nagselect?

ikaw ba naman iseselect mo pa yung tinadtad na ng character assassination? na kesyo bobo walang pinagaralan? maliban na lang kung bukas ang isip mo. yes

Esteban A. de Ocampo <-- nonsense

(03-23-2011 09:28 PM)immortalmikhel Wrote: Register to forum by clicking here to see links.In the preceding pages we have tried to show that Rizal was not only a great hero, but the greatest among the Filipinos. As a matter of fact, the Austrian savant Prof. Blumentritt judged him as "the most prominent man of his own people" and "the greatest man the Malayan race has produced".

taga saan ba si Blumintrit? Pinoy ba? hindi!

(03-23-2011 09:28 PM)immortalmikhel Wrote: Register to forum by clicking here to see links.Mr. Taft, as chairman of the 2nd Philippine Commission, arrived in the Philippines in June 1900. This commission began its legislative functions on 1st September of the same year. On June 11 of the ensuing year the Philippine commission approved Act no. 137, w/c organized the "politico-military district of Morong" into the "Province of Rizal". This was the 1st official step taken by the Taft commission to honor our greatest hero & martyr. It should be borne in mind that 6 days before the passage of Act no. 137, the Taft commission held a meeting at the town of Pasig for the purpose of organizing the province. In that meeting attended by the leading citizens of both Manila & Morong, a plan was presented to combine the 2 districts into one, but this proposal met w/ determined & vigorous objections from the leaders of Morong.

eh si Mister Taft? taga saan? lmfao

so therefore saan pinulot nung nonsense na Esteban yung mga pahayag niya? hindi sa boses ng Pinoy at Gobyerno ng Pinas! o baka sabihin ng iba eh bakit kinikilala ng Pilipinas ngayon si Rizal? eh hinulma na nga nun palang 1900.

natatawa nga ako sa mga fanatics ni Rizal, kapag tinatanong ko kung ano ang Religion ni Rizal eh iwas naman. elmaw
malaking isyu kasi yun, kung totoo bang nagrepent siya sa pari bago siya patayin? kase sa totoo lang pakibasa niyo yung "sulat ni Rizal sa mga kababaihan sa Malolos". Register to forum by clicking here to see links. read

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(03-23-2011 06:42 AM)gangster Wrote: Register to forum by clicking here to see links.dapat nga si Bonifacio ang ating national hero.. under kase tayo ng US government nun, kaya sila na rin ang nag appoint na si rizal ang national hero.. alangan namang iapoint nila ang isang kumakalaban sa kanilang gobyerno? si Rizal kasi ang nilabanan niya is Spanish Government lang. unlike kay Bonifacio Spanish maski US.

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yan ang tinututulan ko. papano nya malalabanan ang mga kano kung patay na siya ng tumuntong sila sa ating lupa.?


(03-23-2011 10:12 PM)gangster Wrote: Register to forum by clicking here to see links.tutol ka na hindi nilabanan ni Rizal ang gobyerno ng Amerika? confused

commonsense lang yan, sino nagselect?

ikaw ba naman iseselect mo pa yung tinadtad na ng character assassination? na kesyo bobo walang pinagaralan? maliban na lang kung bukas ang isip mo. yes

maari ngang tama ka, hindi nman sa ayaw kong maging pambansang bayani si Bonifacio, subalit binabasi ko ang aking opinyon sa mga nalathalant sulatin tulad ng kay Ginoong Ocampo

Quote:Esteban A. de Ocampo <-- nonsense
wla akong alam kung sino tlaga si Ginoong Ocampo, maaring nonsense siya sa paningin mo, subalit wla akong basehan upang sang-ayunan ang konklusyon mu.


ukol nman sa kanyang relihiyon, isa nga ito npakalaking isyu sa pinag-aawayan pa hanggan sa ngayon,. subalit sa aking pagkakaalam, Isang paring Jesuit ang nagbigay kay Rizal ng sulat na nglalahad ng kanyang pagretract sa masonry, ito'y akda ng arsobispo ng Manila(sa aking pagkakaaalam), sa umpisa ay di pumayag si Rizal subalit nakumbinse rin matapos nyang irevise ang ilan sa mga kataga sa sulat...

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(03-23-2011 11:50 PM)immortalmikhel Wrote: Register to forum by clicking here to see links.yan ang tinututulan ko. papano nya malalabanan ang mga kano kung patay na siya ng tumuntong sila sa ating lupa.?

matalino si Rizal alam niyang may digmaan ang Spain at US sa Cuba.

hindi ko sinasabing dapat isinama niya sa mga sulat niya maski yung atake ng Netherland - Dutch Register to forum by clicking here to see links.

ang punto ko dito, hindi talaga niya mapopokusan na ang US. pero hindi siya ignorante sa labanang Spain at US bago pa siya mamatay. kaya yan ang naging dahilan ng mas pabor na gawin siyang National Hero. (yung punto na nakapokus si Rizal sa Spain)

uulitin ko, ikaw na rin ang nagposte tungkol sa Agenda ni Mister Taft. mula 1900 kundisyunes na ang isip ng mga tao nung mga kagaya nila Aguinaldo kapalit kasi pwesto. so wala kang maaamoy dun kundi mabangong pangalan ng U.S. pero yung mga talagang makabayan na ayaw pasakop sa kaninoman, walang paki dun sa mga ibinababa ng mga kano. tulad ng agenda ni Mister Taft.

kung may dumalo man diyan, sigurado mga kaalyado ng U.S. na mabibiyayaan ng kapangyarihan.

lastly sino ang maglalathala? eh di kaalyado rin. hanggang sa umusad ang panahon, maski nakarating na sa panahon ng Hapon ganun pa rin, kundisyones na sila ang tagapagtanggol ng Pinas? elmaw

Pati sa Europe, mga Scientist ni Hitler kinuhang taga gawa ng Atomic Bomb.

hanggang sa panahon ni Tita Cory, pwede tumambay ang base militar nila kahit nasasagasaan na ang Konstitusyon ng Pilipinas.

eh ngayon? sa lakas ng kapangyarihan, si Saddam pinalitaw na may chemical warfare na tinatago, pagkatapos sakupin ang Iraq kunwari magaapoint ng leader sa Iraq na "tuta" naman nila. yun nga yung nagpabitay kay Saddam. galing noh? hugas kamay. sa parang Iraq Government ang nagbitay kay Saddam? oo mga mga kababayan ni Saddam yun pero paano nakaupo sa pwesto ang mga yun para makapangbitay?

at ito naman ang latest Libya, may paksyon kuno sa Gobyerno ni Kadhafi. Hindi naman mawawalan ng oposisyon sa isang bansa eh.

ano layon? Langis! ano ending ng estorya? bagong gobyernong Libya na pinamumunuan ng mga inapoint ng Super Power na Bansa. Tsk! Syempre alangan namang ganun pa rin ang pamamalakad ng bagong lider ng Libya patungkol sa Langis? syempre hindi na, may "konsiderasyon" bilang pagpapaupo mo sa amin. no

(03-23-2011 11:50 PM)immortalmikhel Wrote: Register to forum by clicking here to see links.maari ngang tama ka, hindi nman sa ayaw kong maging pambansang bayani si Bonifacio, subalit binabasi ko ang aking opinyon sa mga nalathalant sulatin tulad ng kay Ginoong Ocampo

well para sa akin, ang mga opinyon ni Ocampo ay kumikiling lang kay Rizal.

(03-23-2011 11:50 PM)immortalmikhel Wrote: Register to forum by clicking here to see links.wla akong alam kung sino tlaga si Ginoong Ocampo, maaring nonsense siya sa paningin mo, subalit wla akong basehan upang sang-ayunan ang konklusyon mu.

wala din akong sinasabing sumangayon ka sa akin. confused

(03-23-2011 11:50 PM)immortalmikhel Wrote: Register to forum by clicking here to see links.ukol nman sa kanyang relihiyon, isa nga ito npakalaking isyu sa pinag-aawayan pa hanggan sa ngayon,. subalit sa aking pagkakaalam, Isang paring Jesuit ang nagbigay kay Rizal ng sulat na nglalahad ng kanyang pagretract sa masonry, ito'y akda ng arsobispo ng Manila(sa aking pagkakaaalam), sa umpisa ay di pumayag si Rizal subalit nakumbinse rin matapos nyang irevise ang ilan sa mga kataga sa sulat...

madali lang palitawing gayon, sa recto lang eh thesis at diploma nga pwede. yes

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